The part about our history you’re forgetting is that we never, through any of that, gleefully elected a guy that has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t give a fuck about democracy and will work to subvert or destroy it if it doesn’t suit him.

This is new territory.

And we’re about to experience the deconstruction of things that will be very difficult to build back.

Your point is that we’ve been around for a few hundred years, so we can bounce back. But history would like to point out that nations that were around much longer than us have ceased to exist many times over.

I wish I had your optimism.

Rome had a final chapter.

You probably don’t.

Even with a contentious subject like abortion. That’s a disagreement about a specific topic. You can reach a middle ground. It’s one of many topics to debate over and forge legislation regarding.

But the majority gleefully electing a guy that effectively looked us all straight in the face and said “I don’t give a fuck about democracy and will attempt to subvert or overthrow it if it doesn’t suit me”? Yeah, there’s really no recovering from that. At least not without a long period of serious decline and suffering, followed by lots of struggle and death to earn back what we lose.

We disrespected the shit out of our democracy and everyone that fought/died for it. There’s no way that ends well.

Yes.

In my opinion we’ve already passed the point of no return and recent events have just confirmed as much.

This isn’t about having differing political opinions. A profoundly unfit, amoral criminal with a very public history of being an awful person came along and started spewing extremely dangerous rhetoric, some of which is almost verbatim to Hitler’s, and our society ate it up and made him president in 2016. This man, who leads a party who courts racists/sexists for their votes, utterly failed his tenure as president, bombing his response to the greatest American crisis since WW2 and presiding over the highest White House administration turnover rate in U.S. history. Since then he has become a convicted felon, an adjudicated rapist, and illegally attempted to overturn our democratic institutions by various means.

This go around the American people were presented with a choice between that person, who only managed to make himself appear even more unfit during this campaign season, openly stated he is anti-worker rights, and is directly responsible for removing women’s federally protected right to bodily autonomy, or a successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law, backed by a party that, despite misinformation, has a voting history proving they vote in favor of the average American FAR more than the opposing party…and Americans STILL managed to drop the ball and go with the CLEARLY worse choice. And when I say clearly, I’m talking about by every conceivable metric that exists in reality.

At this point it isn’t about Democrat vs Republican or Trump vs Kamala or Biden. It’s about the American people. We are not a society of intelligent voters. We have failed our responsibility as citizens in a democracy by being too lazy to learn and by allowing misinformation to mislead us and emotions to cloud our better judgement. We are not engaged in responsible involvement in our own politics. We gleefully elect people that only offer hate and fear and lies, despite how hard they try to prove how awful they are to us. And THAT is why we have passed the point of no return. If you remove the parties and the politicians out of the equation, you still have a society that fails at responsibly preserving a democracy. That gives in to hateful rhetoric and fear. That wants to get the better of the “others”.

There is no happy ending for a society like that. A society like that can only decline. This was not an election about one political ideology against another. It was an election about morality. And we categorically failed that moral test.

There are excuses. We’ve been through a lot. Lots of people are desperate. Desperate people make bad decisions. But the bottom line is we don’t live in a society with a majority of responsible adults making responsible, fact-based decisions about the most important things.

In the arc of history we may end up reaching a better place, but personally I believe we’re embarking on a decline that will most likely last the rest of our lives. It simply isn’t a problem that can be fixed short term. And we’re about to experience a sort of deconstruction. A deconstruction of norms. A deconstruction of institutions. A deconstruction of education and safety nets. And those things take a lot of blood, sweat, and tears to build back, because it’s easier to destroy than it is to create or maintain.

Buckle up. Try to find happiness where you can. It’s probably not getting better anytime soon.

The sooner you realize the vast majority of humans are simply not very intelligent, the more everything starts making sense. And the more depressed you will be.

Doesn’t matter.

Democrats will always be held to an unattainably high standard while Republicans are held to literally none.

Trump supporters unironically walked around wearing “I’m voting for the felon” merchandise. They support criminals because they admire criminals, as long as the criminals are on their team.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds, so they will look you straight in the eye and say a democrat is the anti-christ for attempting a fake electors scheme, despite their guy having done so himself.

None of this matters. Because Americans don’t care. Because Americans aren’t responsible democratic citizens. Which is why we’re experiencing a decline we won’t be crawling out of anytime soon.

Newsflash.

It just happened.

A bunch of ignorant, gullible fools were led to believe a literal convicted felon and rapist who has openly stated he is anti-worker rights, leading a party with a long history of voting against average Americans was a better option than a successful prosecutor with a doctorate in law, leading a party with a long history of voting in favor of average Americans.

We don’t need to imagine a “what if humans are stupid and easily misled” scenario. That is the reality we exist in.

I dropped out of college to go full-time at work specifically so I wouldn’t go into student loan debt.

Great society!!!

No acknowledgement of spreading misinformation. Just deflection.

You. Are. Part. Of. The. Problem.

biden still hasnt removed the guy that was put in place to fuck it all up.

And this right here is a large part of why Trump was just re-elected. People whining about how Biden and Democrats haven’t done enough, so they don’t vote or vote 3rd party, when in reality, they have no clue what they’re talking about.

Biden doesn’t have the authority to fire DeJoy on his own.

People saying things they know nothing about, then other people reading it and thinking it’s true and getting upset about it, then making irrational decisions based on fallacies.

Thanks, dude.

Anyone who actually does their homework knows Democrats are far and away the party of the working class compared to Republicans. A quick look at their voting history proves that.

If you hear otherwise it’s either coming from liars, fools who have been deceived, or by liberals who whine about Democrats not doing enough and then abstain from voting or vote 3rd party to protest and help to elect an anti-worker president and party, which is what just happened.

I wouldn’t get too excited. Humans as a whole aren’t particularly smart and it only takes a small percentage of bad actors and super dipshits to spread misinformation like a cancer no matter what platform you’re on.

Our species wasn’t prepared for the internet. We should be adding courses to public education teaching how to separate fact from fiction and how to find and utilize reliable sources, but instead we gleefully elected a party that ran on deconstructing the public education system.

Oops.

The literal ex-commander of the Gaza division doesn’t share your denialism. about Israel’s chances.

Gonna need more than the opinion of an ex-commander. I’ve heard a lot of ex-military say things. Look at Michael Flynn. Not exactly an icon of honesty and trustworthyness.

Like I said… you give white supremacism a lot of credit.

That’s because history has taught me to be very, very concerned with the capabilities of organized white supremacism.

It’s almost as if liberalism simply accepts that a bit of fascism every now and then is simply the cost of doing business.

This seems like an emotional opinion.

I guess it’s good you’re learning something from them.

It’s sad that you’re not. Pretty easy lesson to learn. Going completely over your head. Like most of the topics you attempt to comment on.

The US isn’t standing in their way. Palestinians with RPG-7s are standing in their way.

If you think Palestine is going to survive for much longer, then you have an optimism I can only dream of. Even if Trump simply stands out of the way. Which is unlikely, because Donald Trump only helps those who can benefit him and Israel can benefit him. So expect more of our BOOM BOOMs to end up there in the near future.

Palestine is done.

one by one the colonialist chickens was forced to come home to roost after the failure of white supremacism

Yes, and the last time they got REAL power it took millions of lives and an unquantifiable amount of money/resources to put them back down.

You’re not very good at learning how to format your responses. I’ve met 13 year olds more capable of using this tool than you are.

I definitely recommend getting out while you can. Move somewhere that affords you more rights and has a stronger economy.

Yup.

I don’t want bad things to happen anywhere in the world, but the bottom line is we have our own shit to deal with and jeopardizing our own country by becoming a single issue voter over two countries in a neverending religious conflict on the other side of the planet is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen.

We’re literally going to be in a state of decline for an unknown period of years now partially because we chose to place another country over our own by voting for the guy that made it clear he would allow that country to turn to dust.

It sounds stupid because it is, in fact, unbelievably stupid.

Oh they are. But realistically, based on all the evidence at hand, they won’t learn anything from it. They’ll be back to voting like fools in a few years. We Americans clearly don’t learn from our mistakes.

Consider this. A few weeks before the election Donald Trump and Elon Musk had a little circle jerk podcast interview with each other. They spent time talking about how anti-union they are and how much they hate worker’s rights. Then working class Americans went out in droves and voted for those two rich assholes who openly talked about wishing workers had less rights.

Americans. Are. Stupid.

Our situation isn’t going to get better any time soon.

You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?

Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now? Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them, or at least entirely getting out of their way while they do it, instead of putting up some form of resistance to the idea of them wiping Palestine out?

You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?

I wouldn’t call it credit. I’d call it reading a history book and undestanding how far white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.