What would be your take on someone that went to vegan communities for the sole purpose to just downvote all the comments?
Would that be bannable?
Yes, it should be. But I just took issue with the carnivore diet since humans need to eat veggies for the essential nutrients.
So…. Ban it when you disagree with it, but it should stay if your agree?
While I appreciate the honesty… this is as shit a take as it gets.
Happened a while ago, people went mad: https://feddit.uk/post/17377857
Sure, but is that behavior you approve of?
I don’t know. For me the biggest takeaway about the vegan drama was the change in LW Terms of Service, which mean that carnivore could also not be hosted on LW, as it could be dangerous for people the same way the vegan diet it.
I feel like LW wanted to support Rooki in the decision, so they had to come up with this new rule, but they should probably have considered just removing Rooki as an admin, even temporarily, and let the rules as they are.
I just had a look at !vegan@lemmy.world now, it the first pinned post is about research papers showing that vegan diet is healthy for humans to comply with the rules.
I saw your post about asking to mod !carnivore@lemmy.world, are you going to lock it down and redirect to !carnivore@lemm.ee ?
Hrmm, I’ll make a post in fedigrow to talk about my ideas on moderation, Short version here - Only negative participation is bad for lemmy.
WRT !carnivore@lemmy.world, I don’t have a plan, I saw it was unmoderated, and people had been talking about ketones 4 months ago and had a really bad experience from lemmy users when they just wanted help with their medical condition - so at the very least it needs a active moderator. I might make sense for one to be casual talk, and the other to be science/papers/etc. not sure, depends if I get granted moderator access and how it fits with their diet policy.
I’ll make a post in fedigrow to talk about my ideas on moderation
Sure, looking forward to it!
I might make sense for one to be casual talk, and the other to be science/papers/etc. not sure, depends if I get granted moderator access and how it fits with their diet policy.
Makes sense!
YDI, if you believe a community or instance doesn’t have a legitimate right to exist because it’s dangerous you need to report the dangerous content instead of simply downvoting them to suppress them. Also mass downvoting whole communities or users does count as an act of vote manipulation or abuse.
So to recap, you’ve not avoided reporting content you believe to be dangerous, but also have engaged in abusive voting behaviors. Voting patterns that many instances (not just communities) would indeed ban someone for.
Draconic kind of hit the nail on the head with this one. Going into a community you don’t like and mass downvoting everything isn’t super awesome, and there’s no rule against the moderator of that community banning you for it.
This is one of those situations where the best thing for you to do is disengage
Thank you for clarifying!
Sunaurus stepped down, the main admin is now @EllaSpiggins@lemm.ee
Ah thank you for pointing that out, I’ll make sure to CC them instead next time.
Mods are bored, looking for extra work.
But mass downvoting is a threat actor behavior tbh
I do wonder if they do the same to people who mass up vote… Hmmm
YDI.
We (Lemmy users in general) have an idiotic tendency to take matters into our own hands, instead of letting the people in charge handle it, even when the later would be better for everyone. And that’s exactly what you did.
If you believe that a community promotes harmful content, report it to the instance admins. Make sure to back up your claim with studies and the likes. Don’t simply blanket downvote everything in it, otherwise you’re creating a precedent for other people to do the same with other communities.
Going into a club just to go around showing everyone a thumbs down is being an ass tbh. I can’t say whether there’s a rule against it, but it’s not behaviour that’s helpful for anyone.
For stuff that shows up in your All feed, you can downvote the post to keep it out of others’ feeds. If such posts appear too much you can block and move on. The mods have just done the latter for you.
YDI. report dangerous content (which i agree this is) to admins for moderation or defederation.
but blanket downvote trolling is a real issue that any community mods should be allowed to address.
People downvote the posts on !linuxsucks@lemmy.world all the time.
So it’s only wrong if !vegan@lemmy.world does it now? But not a dangerous diet that increases the chance of heart disease, cancers and nutrient deficiencies.
!linuxsucks moderators should be allowed to act on blanket downvoting behavior if they so choose.
i don’t think i said anything about !vegan but they should be allowed to also, if they want.*
*edit: okay maybe i am remembering the situation you are talking about?
where some community was banning every user who did even one downvote, thereby exploiting lemmy’s sorting algorithm and getting all their posts to !all. that’s a different thing from dealing with blanket downvotes and fair to criticize in my opinion
On top of that, !vegan@lemmy.world was on LW, who had to update their rules to ban “harmful behaviour”.
Interestingly enough, lemm.ee doesn’t have such rule, so it’s okay for this mod to do so. !vegan@vegantheoryclub.org could also ban people who downvote, nobody would see that as powertripping, they do what they want on their instance.
Yeah nah you’re in the wrong here. Report to admins, block the community and move on.
As stupid as this is, it’s not up to you what is a “dangerous diet” and going to an entire community you disagree with just to downvote everything is petty and childish. Just block it instead.
YDI
Doctors have recommended against it. God the anti-vaxxers are bridgading Lemmy now.
We need to challenge dangerous misinformation on the internet and not let it spread uncontested.
the anti-vaxxers are bridgading Lemmy now.
where?
The also recommend against vegan diets. Does that mean we should go to vegan communities and harass them?
The difference is there are numerous studies that support the plant-based diet.
What does “support” mean? Sure, you can have a a vegan diet if you pay attention to nutrients intake and supplement accordingly. But you can have almost any diet of you do that.
Great now we have false equivalencies being made.
Yeah, that’s what I was trying to point out to you.
The fruitarian diet, carnivore diet and keto diet are not healthy full stop.
Do I see you following people around replying to unrelated threads to continue an argument from elsewhere? Not cool
YDI.
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I blocked that sub as soon as I saw it in /everything.
It smelled like a troll meeting area (acrid sugared vinegar sweats from their ‘sauces’).
That’s smart advice!
blanket down voting every post and comment in a community
If true, this explains it all right there, regardless of the underlying issues (I mean regardless of ethics of right and wrong etc.). You could just leave the community if you don’t like the content, perhaps making your own, or make a respectful post outlining your reasoning to try to convince people, etc. But acting like a toxic asshole doesn’t seem like it’s helpful to anyone?
Again, if true.
are they actually keeping track of who’s upvoting what?
It’s a part of Lemmy in general, we’ve had ban waves based on voting patterns before.
Yes, they checked the upvoting record.
There is no rule saying you can’t downvote the posts and downvoting isn’t “uncivil”
Being a cunt is though
If you act like a dick regarding others’ beliefs, they will shun you. It’s been like that since the dawn of time
Would you walk into someone’s barbecue and start your preaching like that, then act all confused when someone fuckin decks you with an entire, raw pig?
Would you walk into someone’s barbecue and start your preaching like that, then act all confused when someone fuckin decks you with an entire, raw pig?
That’s more or less what people did on vegan communities. When they got banned, there was a whole drama: https://feddit.uk/post/17377857
Two wrongs never made a right
Indeed, just evidencing the double standard
Then the people who against veganism need to stop brigading vegan communities and stop crying when they get banned.
Of course you resort to name calling and being rude.
It’s wild that this exact same thing happened before, and the general consensus was that the vegan community was wrong to ban assholes that’d downvote every vegan post.
It’s so bizarre how people were circlejerking about the vegans from that incident but then act like I was a jerk for downvoting posts about dangerous diet.
Vegans cant ban downvoters but carnivores can what a joke.
According to these people the vegan communities are “insular, closed-minded and echo chambers” while the carnivore communities are just “protecting their way of life”
I’m kinda on the fence. If the community is allowed to exist, you should be banned for down voting every post. If you don’t like a community’s content, just block it and move on.
What pisses me off is the blatant double standard.
(Edit: I do obviously think communities that endorse animal abuse shouldn’t be allowed, though.)
I suppose contacting the admins about the dangers of the diet would’ve been more constructive.
Being banned from the carnivore community is a badge of honour like getting booted out of r/vegetarian.
