likely in response to my comments on the beehaw post, which i linked to (hopefully im doing this right?). apparently, calling people you dont know for the first time “they/them” before being told their pronouns is “misgendering”. absurd. this kind of attitude threatens the larger LGBTQ community and is partially why cishets hate us after we won so much progress back in the 00s and 10s.

im a queer person. im neurodivergent. this shit is so goddamn fucking annoying, especially as an older queer who got physically assaulted on a near daily basis for being queer in the 90s. the kids today get their panties in a twist over being supposedly “misgendered” by someone calling them gender neutral pronouns before being corrected. narcissistic victimhood bullshit.

anyways, now banned from one of my favorite instances. meanwhile in the US theyre planning on hunting us. but yeah, lets ban fellow queers over their view that people who get mad about being “misgendered” when they arent (cis people are also referred to as “they/them” before further context in a conversation with a stranger) are just attention seeking brats that threaten the larger movement. its so obvious to me that the brats who find reason to be offended over innocent pronoun use never faced real adversity, like getting repeatedly physically beaten.

edit - the best part of all of this is i faced no moderation from beehaw and all of my comments are +1 or higher. power tripping oversensitive neurodivergent hating bastard of a mod over at blahaj IMO.

edit 2 - did this wrong. heres a link to the post i think got me banned from blahaj and a screenshot about it https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37659465

Edit 3 - apparently I did nothing wrong until I made my thoughts known about how the pronoun police fucked over the larger LGBTQ community as our rights are backsliding in America. Yall are gonna whine about being misgendered to the concentration camp guards at the rate we’re going. God forbid I be angry that while queers were busy fighting over pronouns our adversaries stuffed the courts, stuffed the school boards, couped the government, and are installing a fascist dictatorship. When I say that these fucking toddlers are going to learn what real oppression tastes like, that’s what I mean. It’s not that I want us to be hurt or oppressed (as the dog piling idiots have interpreted), it’s that the younger generation is weak as hell and lost the fucking plot in the fight for our rights. I grew up getting beaten in the streets for being queer only for these kids to claim their pronouns not being mind-read is oppression!

  • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
    135·
    9 days ago

    Try asking about Tienanmen Square or the Uyghurs. Give some citations, when people order you what you’re allowed to conclude about it. You will quickly find your experience becoming no longer normal.

    Then try the same experiment in mirror image in literally any other place. Bring up genocide in Gaza, the massacre of native Americans, Belgians in the Congo, or Trump’s horrifying mismanagement of Covid and the resulting death toll. There is a pretense among the Lemmy.ml moderators that they are just mirroring some kind of pro-US, pro-NATO echo chamber that exists on the “other side”, but this is a fantasy.

    • Lad@reddthat.com
      32·
      9 days ago

      You’re encouraging people to go over there and troll/post in bad faith about the same topics. Comments like this are why its hardly surprising that they ban people. It’s literally just a case of “let’s piss off the tankies” comments made by people who have already made their minds up about Tiananmen square and the mistreatment of Uyghurs.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        3·
        8 days ago

        Comments like this are why its hardly surprising that they ban people.

        The revolutionaries of the past would be disgusted with you. Speaking truth to power is one of the common heroic actions of the left: Standing up for people who are being abused, even when the people doing it are getting away with it, and demanding and enforcing that no one talk about it. Shame on you for coming down on the side of the abuser.

        Propaganda frameworks like the one you’ve absorbed often include redefining common words and concepts in ways that support the desired conclusions, as you’re doing with “trolling” and “people who have already made their minds up.” It’s one of the reasons a certain contingent on Lemmy frequently will tell the person they’re talking to, what the person they’re talking to believes and how they behave. They need to enforce a certain framework for the conversation, in which what they’re doing makes sense, because taking it from first principles will cause them to see it in an “undesirable” light.

        I do agree with you trying to have the conversation with that contingent is usually pointless. I’m actually happy to back up anything I am saying, try to open your eyes if you want to insist that the Chinese government’s version of events is trustworthy, but I doubt you’re interested and I won’t try to make the attempt if you don’t want it.

        • Lad@reddthat.com
          2·
          8 days ago

          Any community will ban users if they get an influx of spammy low effort comments that are deliberately trying to irk the mods and the community as a whole. But it’s only bad when Lemmy.ml does it huh?

          Go speak truth to power on the streets, the Lemmy.ml mods aren’t “the power”, just some random people running their own instance.

          try to open your eyes if you want to insist that the Chinese government’s version of events is trustworthy, but I doubt you’re interested and I won’t try to make the attempt if you don’t want it.

          Way to assume what my opinion of the Chinese government is. I don’t recall saying anything about it.

          • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
            11·
            8 days ago

            Propaganda frameworks like the one you’ve absorbed often include redefining common words and concepts in ways that support the desired conclusions

            an influx of spammy low effort comments

            deliberately trying to irk the mods and the community as a whole

            Edit 2: Actually, I can tell you exactly what happens when someone comes in and makes this kind of “spammy low effort” attempt at talking about the Uyghurs on lemmy.ml, because I’ve done it. I spent about half a day talking back and forth with someone who was very, very insistently insisting to me that there was no genocide in Xinjiang, and the UN had proved it. To their credit, nobody removed anything I had to say, which I was a little surprised by. The post was deleted by its creator some time later, so I can’t link to it, which is a shame because the whole exchange was pretty lengthy and interesting, and apparently consenting on both sides. I’ll take out a random excerpt of the whole conversation here:

            I asked, “Can you link me to the UN report where they found there was no genocide, and the so-called victims were millionaires?” You sent me a report. It doesn’t say there was no genocide, and it doesn’t say the so-called victims were millionaires. I realize you’re saying that a reasonable person can read the report and conclude that obviously there is no genocide at all, but I don’t completely agree with that. I’m allowed to not agree with you. That’s not “fighting.”

            I’m really not trying to be hard to talk to or get you riled up. What you describe as “fighting” or refusing to absorb the information you are providing, I view as just healthy skepticism. If you run way, way ahead of your sources by painting a huge picture, you are completely correct that I’m going to refuse to become passive and let you educate me and believe everything you say. I’m going to take a step back and say, “Well, okay, I get what you’re saying, but what is your backing?” I can do that even if I’m not that familiar with the topic. The fact that you’re so upset that I’m not just believing everything you say is weird to me.

            Edit: Also, this part deserves a real response:

            Go speak truth to power on the streets, the Lemmy.ml mods aren’t “the power”, just some random people running their own instance.

            Very true. I also think participating on the internet is probably not helping much of anything, in the current crisis, in comparison with actually getting out and doing something.

            But still, if we are going to talk about internet stuff, big actions start from little actions. The same people who are swearing that they understand the way to make real progress, and everything needs to be reorganized to match their theories in order to fix the world, have in my view already gone askew and started abusing the tiny amount of power they currently have, and created a little “The Sims” version of a dystopian world which I want no part of. I think that’s relevant to point out. And, which theory we’re going to use and how we’re all going to understand the world, including how we talk about it on the internet, absolutely has power in the real world in the aggregate. C.f. this most recent US election.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        9 days ago

        Yes, it’s hardly surprising that they ban anyone who brings up their favorite genocide. After all, it isn’t happening, and if it is, the Uyghurs deserve it. Totally normal non-extremist stuff. /s

    • pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      43·
      9 days ago

      Try debunking Western narratives on Tienanmen Square or the Uyghurs on db0 or bunch of other instances. You will quickly find that echo chamber that exists on the other side is not just a fantasy.

      And so what? The fact that Lemmy is a decentralized community, with instances owned and populated by people from all over the world with different worldviews, is actually the main advantage that Lemmy has over Reddit. The tendence of Lemmyverce to split into a few separated echo chambers is actually a cancer that is slowly killing Lemmy, and it doesn’t matter whether what is enforcing that cancer is pro-China or pro-EU.

      • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
        41·
        8 days ago

        it doesn’t matter whether what is enforcing that cancer is pro-China or pro-EU

        Where is someone enforcing the pro-EU viewpoint, and banning anyone who disagrees with it?

        Like I said, the pretense that lemmy.ml’s authoritarianism exists in mirror image on the “other side” communities is one of their persistent pretenses, I guess as a sort of whataboutism to make it seem less comically wrong.