DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
Why would a socialist ever vote for the Democrats?
Because they understand iterated game theory. (Watch the first video at https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/ and you might understand it, too.) FPtP means you vote for the a candidate that has a chance to win. Among those candidates you pick your most preferred / least bad option.
(Other videos at that link provide alternatives to FPtP that would better represent that preferences of the populace, and some areas in the U.S. do use non-FPtP for some parts of the election process.)
game theory doesn’t determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior
Human behavior can be modeled. It is often modeled quite well with game theory.
We do have to be cautious tho. Models can let you derive a lot of results, but some or all of those results may not apply to reality depending on how much your model differs from it.
We know the iterated game theory model is largely valid because it is derived in the absence of historical examples and but history shows it in action repeatedly, albeit imperfectly.
So, while I agree on principle, I don’t agree that it is the “dunk” / refutation of all game theory that you think it implies.
no, it’s not
Would you like to exchange data?
Contradiction isn’t argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLlv_aZjHXc&t=110
(It’s not discussion either, but that might be too much to expect.)
since I can’t prove a negative, bring me a study and I’ll show it either doesn’t support your claim, or it has a limited scope, or flawed methodology.
You’ll never change the system by complying with the system.
That’s just not true. There’s a lot of change that is incremental and comes from within.
That said, if you have enough fighting the system to do that you absolutely can’t find time to cast a vote, please do that.
And, I also agree that the system is going to be trying to change you instead, but it’s going to be trying to do that whether you “comply” or participate or not. It is possible to vote without being instantly and irrecoverably corrupted.
Because our only other option was what we have now. It was never a good trade for anyone. But take a look around and ask yourself if Kamala would have done ANY of this shit.
Hell. Just take the damage trump’s little pet gremlin Elon has done.
Think about it. There would have been no DOGE under Harris.
That alone should have been why socialists should have voted for the democrat.
Another reason is Project 2025. He TOLD them what was going to happen. In detail. So again, there was plenty of reasons to use their vote defensively.
They chose not to.
And let’s throw in the fact that this discussion and the entire comment section wouldn’t have existed under Harris. And that is because the post would have existed. And that is because it wouldn’t have happened. And that is because we would all still have a right to due process.
In the event that they, or you- need and further answers to why they should have ever voted for a democrat- I’d suggest they read the news…
… every fucking day, for the next four years.
Ah yes, the least-worst option voting tactic, which ensures only one of two corrupt, incompetent parties can ever win the Presidency. Hardly vote inspiring is it? Do better.
As we all know, the best argument against harm reduction is “Things aren’t perfect so I will hurt everyone EXCEPT my enemy as much as possible to punish them. But not my enemy.”
So in a least-worse voting situation, you’re suggesting that the ideal course of action is inaction?
Has no one told you how voting works?
Oh and by the way, this conversation is a direct violation of the rules of this community isn’t?
Your input has absolutely nothing to do with the PTB in question. Is this a “rules for thee” situation? Because you’ve removed my comments in the past for delving into the topic of the posts that were removed, so I’m just trying to understand where the goalposts are here.
I’m simply responding directly to your comments. I agree we have strayed from the original topic, so will leave it there.
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of attending any of the protests going on right now: As far as I can tell, 0
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of not voting for Democrats: Jesus Christ I think I’m going to puke
Who is unruffled?
They’re the person you’re speaking to, when you asked “Has no one told you how voting works” et cetera.
Ahhh. I see a different name using Voyager. Makes sense now.
An absence of evidence is just that. I haven’t posted in support of libraries either. Does that mean I’m anti-books? You are using fundamentally flawed logic.
The reason I have a hate boner for the Democrats is because they handed the election to Trump. And because they refuse to change course, except to slide more to the right to chase those precious Republican votes. Their only actually progressive members are routinely undermined by the party leadership and sidelined in favour of neo liberal types. So yes, you have “proven” the bleeding obvious, well done. It’s not like I’ve tried to hide my opinions lmao.
“I hate that this building’s on fire, therefore I am fistfighting the firefighters. After all, they’re not doing a good enough job.” (Which, yes, I agree with you 100% that they are not.)
“Bro why are you bringing up fire extinguishers? I haven’t said anything about them, no. Why would that be important?”
I don’t get the analogy. Who are the firefighters supposed to represent?
A more accurate analogy would be that the Democrats were responsible for the building’s fire safety, but they were given a big donation by a company that provides for-profit fire services, so they decided to outsource it. Then the private fire company keeps reducing services, raising prices, and cutting staff to make more profit. The tenants all complain, but the Democrats refuse to accept feedback or to cancel the contract. Then one day, the Republicans are voted in charge, because the tenants are so fed up with the management of the Democrats. The Republicans award the contract to another company on even worse terms, because the owner made a big donation to their campaign. They also couldn’t give a shit about the tenants. One day, the building burns down. The Democrats tell the surviving tenants that they should have voted for the lesser evil because they would (maybe) have been better off. That’s where we are now.
Oh, I think you do.
You proceeded to tell an alternate analogy with the people they were supposed to represent instead moved to someone else in the analogy…
How it works in your country you mean? Where voters have basically no say in the candidates they can vote for, and are attacked and disparaged by both major parties if they have the temerity to vote for a candidate they actually like? Sounds like a healthy “democracy” to me, sure. The whole point of a democracy is voting for folks who represent your views. If neither of the two mainstream parties reflect your views then you are completely disenfranchised under that system. Accepting the premise that only one of two parties can ever win a Presidential election means that you have already given up on democracy. Holding your nose and voting for the least worst candidate only serves to prop up the two party system in perpetuity, and ensures your views will never be represented in the future.
Cool. This isn’t about the post or the PTB showcased in it, so I’m not going to discuss off topic subjects. If you’d like, you can create a post in a community where the subject is within the rules, and I’d be happy to discuss/debate the subject with you.
Yeah, I feel super well-represented now in this healthy democracy now that people can be sent to El Salvador if they have the temerity to protest for Palestine. I’m super glad that a lot of people who feel like you do managed to unprop-up the two party system, and now we have in government basically only one party, and I can’t wait to see what’s next. Boy howdy.