I’m honestly curious what point you think I’m responding to that you didn’t make.
You did actually use grossly inaccurate financial data when the tax documents were publicly available.
From your source: "After a decade of professional fund-raising, it has now amassed $400 million of cash as of March”.
From you: “they have at least 400 million in reserves now”.
Their financial audit, that I linked to, shows that they have nowhere near that much cash. They don’t even have that much total assets if you count their endowment, real estate, and computer hardware.
The entire reason for my comment was that I read that number, thought “wow, that number seems preposterous”, and looked up their financial report which shows that indeed, it’s a totally bogus number detached from reality.
You seem deeply upset that someone might not just accept your opinion at face value, and it seems to be making you respond like an asshole instead of “not responding because you don’t care”, or actually giving some sort of response.
You’re confusing cash with assets. $80 million is nowhere near $400 million cash.
dozens of accurate numbers from two articles, one of those many numbers in one of those articles you have picked out to focus on
Except $300 million cash isn’t in the article I said was a good article.
“Dozens” of good numbers don’t really matter when the one you use to make your point isn’t one of them.
They don’t have $400 million dollars cash, so they can’t run for 40 years just on cash on hand. Which is the entire thing I was talking about.
I sort of assumed that basic literacy meant you could understand that a question doesn’t have to end in a question mark. For example: I’m curious what you think I’m making up.
Note how that doesn’t end in a question mark, but is clearly a request for information.
And, for pedantic ness: “what the fuck are you talking about?”
What “mistakes” are you correcting? I’m referencing their financial audit. Where do you think those news articles you’re not understanding get their numbers?
You can’t just pick a number off a page, say “yeah, that one’s big, it’s how much cash they have”, then round up and add $100 million dollars and wave it off as a typo. At best, it’s a typo compounding a gross misunderstanding of the financials.
So again, what “mistakes” are you correcting? You keep saying you’re correcting some mistakes, but … You’re not. You haven’t actually done anything other than share some bad data and be offended someone would point that out.
you are incorrect again. I wrote assets, because I was talking about total assets(which, this sounds like it’s going to blow your mind, includes cash!)
maybe you aren’t reading closely enough and are conflating my comments with the one sentence in the two articles you don’t like for some weird reason?
your next comment kind of explains another one of your blind spots:
“And, for pedantic ness: “what the fuck are you talking about?””
questions are not pedantic.
you can’t find out what somebody else meant unless you ask them a question.
what you are doing is assuming an answer and then extrapolating off of that, which is very easy for you to attack, but is often wrong because you’re making things up.
The fact that you’ve finally except in my tutoring and have begun asking questions is a huge step forward.
I’ll go look for someone who knows how to golf clap.
“I sort of assumed that basic literacy”
that sounds like it’s your problem, you should stop assuming basic literacy and practice reading.
If you’re just assuming literacy, in your head it sounds good, but out here it is rough for others to deal with you.
"So again, what “mistakes” are you correcting? "
that there’s no way to confuse 300 with 400.
that you can’t tell the difference between an opinion and a number from financial audit.
that because of one incorrect number you’re dead set that both articles are wrong, even though their numbers are from the financial audit that you originally referenced.
you mistake a statement for a question.
there are more, but four of your mistakes should be enough of a start for you to recognize a few of your errors.
don’t want to move too fast for you.
ps, good work on finally asking a question!
all I had to do was teach you what a question was for half a dozen comments comments consecutively and you learned!
You’re a surprisingly dense person. You’ve managed to mistake a news article for a financial audit, misread a number of comments, misinterpret numbers, think that the phrase “article I agree with” means I don’t agree with it, and somehow take “hey, your number’s wrong” to mean “your numbers are wrong, your conclusion is wrong, and everything you say is wrong”.
I wrote assets, because I was talking about total assets
Except, you didn’t. And neither did the article I said was inaccurate where you plainly pulled that number from.
Maybe go actually read the second article you shared, which doesn’t get their cash or assets wrong or make grossly inaccurate assertions about their financial status.
Also, congrats on actually running with “bold of you to assume I can read”.
“You’ve managed to mistake a news article for a financial audit,”
nope, that’s a straw man you’ve been trying to prop up for a dozen comments because you can’t refute my main point that WMF has plenty of money and shouldn’t be lying to and manipulating donors for more.
“misread a number of comments”
still no evidence for that after a dozen comments? rad.
“misinterpret numbers”
you don’t think three is next to four… that one’s on you.
“think that the phrase “article I agree with” means I don’t agree with”
also nope
so your strategy is to keep making things up?
consistent.
"the second article you shared, which doesn’t get their cash or assets wrong "
see, every time you respond, you make up a whole bunch of stuff, and then right at the end you angrily insist “also, I agreed with you all along!”
fine, I’m glad you can’t refute these things anymore.
You can keep ranting about irrelevant details and then agreeing with my original conclusion.
from the first comment.
I’m fine with that.
“Also, congrats on actually running with “bold of you to assume I can read”.”
thank you!
given that I’ve roundly quashed all of your efforts here, I figured that insult was a facetious, last-ditch attempt of yours to distract from your illogical meandering and thought it would be fun to turn that little insult back on you.
it was fun!
your insults and tangents have that “water off a duck’s back” quality I enjoy.
This is the part where you’re dense as fuck. As I said from the get go, I wasn’t trying to do that, you absolute insecure buffoon.
Go back and re-read the first comment, and try not being insecure and combative. I was literally, as you say, correcting a typo (Although then using that typo in math makes me feel like it was a misunderstanding of the numbers and not a typo).
You can keep ranting about irrelevant details and then agreeing with my original conclusion.
“Wikipedia has a half billion cash and is evil for asking for more” is really different from “Wikipedia isn’t in as bad a situation as you might think, and donation isn’t as crucial as they might lead you to believe”.
Your first comment is grossly misleading. I don’t really give a shit about your conclusion, since I’m ambivalent about donating. See also: the paragraphs I quoted from your second article I liked.
Maybe, just maybe, it’s like I’ve been saying and you refuse to accept: I’m not trying to “gotcha” you, I just actually cared about accurate numbers. If you actually care about accurate numbers for drawing conclusions, like a person who goes and reads financial audits might, then perhaps they aren’t “irrelevant details”. Or, as I like to call them: A $320 million dollar error.
You’re the one who can’t accept that someone saying “hey, their financials are by no means weak but they don’t have decades of cash saved up” isn’t a disagreement with your main point.
Then you went off on insane ad hominem tangents and refused to believe that maybe someone isn’t attacking you.
given that I’ve roundly quashed all of your efforts here
You really haven’t. If you’ll recall: “what the fuck are you even talking about”? Insecure gibberish isn’t the masterful debate strategy you think it is. You aren’t coming across as cleverly as you seem to think you are.
Har har har.
I’m honestly curious what point you think I’m responding to that you didn’t make.
You did actually use grossly inaccurate financial data when the tax documents were publicly available.
“I’m honestly curious what point you think I’m responding to…”
are you? you don’t sound very curious. you haven’t asked a single question.
“You did actually use grossly inaccurate financial data”
your make-believe is showing.
From your source: "After a decade of professional fund-raising, it has now amassed $400 million of cash as of March”.
From you: “they have at least 400 million in reserves now”.
Their financial audit, that I linked to, shows that they have nowhere near that much cash. They don’t even have that much total assets if you count their endowment, real estate, and computer hardware.
The entire reason for my comment was that I read that number, thought “wow, that number seems preposterous”, and looked up their financial report which shows that indeed, it’s a totally bogus number detached from reality.
You seem deeply upset that someone might not just accept your opinion at face value, and it seems to be making you respond like an asshole instead of “not responding because you don’t care”, or actually giving some sort of response.
“You seem deeply upset”
nope I forget you’re here until you comment again and I have to correct you all over again.
correcting people is fun for me, so this isn’t particularly upsetting.
“your opinion”
not my opinion, dozens of accurate numbers from two articles, one of those many numbers in one of those articles you have picked out to focus on.
One of the articles overestimated a budget by 100 million, four instead of three, that’s not going to bother me too much.
you seem deeply upset by one source’s overestimate.
“that number seems preposterous…a totally bogus number detached from reality…”
yeah who the heck could write four instead of three?
how could anyone make that mistake? they must be nuts!
adding one number in hundreds of millions of dollars of asset valuation?
how could that even happen?
guess we’ll never know…
“giving some sort of response…”
you keep whining about receiving a response (desperate), but you still haven’t asked a question.
do you know how responses work? (that was a question. see the curly thing at the end? there’s another!)
go ahead, check your comment. not a single question, you’re just rehashing you’re earlier mistakes I have to correct all over again.
which is fun.
I’m down.
You’re confusing cash with assets. $80 million is nowhere near $400 million cash.
Except $300 million cash isn’t in the article I said was a good article.
“Dozens” of good numbers don’t really matter when the one you use to make your point isn’t one of them.
They don’t have $400 million dollars cash, so they can’t run for 40 years just on cash on hand. Which is the entire thing I was talking about.
I sort of assumed that basic literacy meant you could understand that a question doesn’t have to end in a question mark. For example: I’m curious what you think I’m making up.
Note how that doesn’t end in a question mark, but is clearly a request for information.
And, for pedantic ness: “what the fuck are you talking about?”
What “mistakes” are you correcting? I’m referencing their financial audit. Where do you think those news articles you’re not understanding get their numbers?
You can’t just pick a number off a page, say “yeah, that one’s big, it’s how much cash they have”, then round up and add $100 million dollars and wave it off as a typo. At best, it’s a typo compounding a gross misunderstanding of the financials.
So again, what “mistakes” are you correcting? You keep saying you’re correcting some mistakes, but … You’re not. You haven’t actually done anything other than share some bad data and be offended someone would point that out.
“you’re confusing cash with assets”
you are incorrect again. I wrote assets, because I was talking about total assets(which, this sounds like it’s going to blow your mind, includes cash!)
maybe you aren’t reading closely enough and are conflating my comments with the one sentence in the two articles you don’t like for some weird reason?
your next comment kind of explains another one of your blind spots:
“And, for pedantic ness: “what the fuck are you talking about?””
questions are not pedantic.
you can’t find out what somebody else meant unless you ask them a question.
what you are doing is assuming an answer and then extrapolating off of that, which is very easy for you to attack, but is often wrong because you’re making things up.
The fact that you’ve finally except in my tutoring and have begun asking questions is a huge step forward.
I’ll go look for someone who knows how to golf clap.
“I sort of assumed that basic literacy”
that sounds like it’s your problem, you should stop assuming basic literacy and practice reading.
If you’re just assuming literacy, in your head it sounds good, but out here it is rough for others to deal with you.
"So again, what “mistakes” are you correcting? "
that there’s no way to confuse 300 with 400.
that you can’t tell the difference between an opinion and a number from financial audit.
that because of one incorrect number you’re dead set that both articles are wrong, even though their numbers are from the financial audit that you originally referenced.
you mistake a statement for a question.
there are more, but four of your mistakes should be enough of a start for you to recognize a few of your errors.
don’t want to move too fast for you.
ps, good work on finally asking a question!
all I had to do was teach you what a question was for half a dozen comments comments consecutively and you learned!
that’s progress.
You’re a surprisingly dense person. You’ve managed to mistake a news article for a financial audit, misread a number of comments, misinterpret numbers, think that the phrase “article I agree with” means I don’t agree with it, and somehow take “hey, your number’s wrong” to mean “your numbers are wrong, your conclusion is wrong, and everything you say is wrong”.
Except, you didn’t. And neither did the article I said was inaccurate where you plainly pulled that number from.
Maybe go actually read the second article you shared, which doesn’t get their cash or assets wrong or make grossly inaccurate assertions about their financial status.
Also, congrats on actually running with “bold of you to assume I can read”.
“You’re a surprisingly dense person.”
Huhh?
“You’ve managed to mistake a news article for a financial audit,”
nope, that’s a straw man you’ve been trying to prop up for a dozen comments because you can’t refute my main point that WMF has plenty of money and shouldn’t be lying to and manipulating donors for more.
“misread a number of comments”
still no evidence for that after a dozen comments? rad.
“misinterpret numbers”
you don’t think three is next to four… that one’s on you.
“think that the phrase “article I agree with” means I don’t agree with”
also nope
so your strategy is to keep making things up?
consistent.
"the second article you shared, which doesn’t get their cash or assets wrong "
see, every time you respond, you make up a whole bunch of stuff, and then right at the end you angrily insist “also, I agreed with you all along!”
fine, I’m glad you can’t refute these things anymore.
You can keep ranting about irrelevant details and then agreeing with my original conclusion.
from the first comment.
I’m fine with that.
“Also, congrats on actually running with “bold of you to assume I can read”.”
thank you!
given that I’ve roundly quashed all of your efforts here, I figured that insult was a facetious, last-ditch attempt of yours to distract from your illogical meandering and thought it would be fun to turn that little insult back on you.
it was fun!
your insults and tangents have that “water off a duck’s back” quality I enjoy.
This is the part where you’re dense as fuck. As I said from the get go, I wasn’t trying to do that, you absolute insecure buffoon.
Go back and re-read the first comment, and try not being insecure and combative. I was literally, as you say, correcting a typo (Although then using that typo in math makes me feel like it was a misunderstanding of the numbers and not a typo).
“Wikipedia has a half billion cash and is evil for asking for more” is really different from “Wikipedia isn’t in as bad a situation as you might think, and donation isn’t as crucial as they might lead you to believe”.
Your first comment is grossly misleading. I don’t really give a shit about your conclusion, since I’m ambivalent about donating. See also: the paragraphs I quoted from your second article I liked.
Maybe, just maybe, it’s like I’ve been saying and you refuse to accept: I’m not trying to “gotcha” you, I just actually cared about accurate numbers. If you actually care about accurate numbers for drawing conclusions, like a person who goes and reads financial audits might, then perhaps they aren’t “irrelevant details”. Or, as I like to call them: A $320 million dollar error.
You’re the one who can’t accept that someone saying “hey, their financials are by no means weak but they don’t have decades of cash saved up” isn’t a disagreement with your main point.
Then you went off on insane ad hominem tangents and refused to believe that maybe someone isn’t attacking you.
You really haven’t. If you’ll recall: “what the fuck are you even talking about”? Insecure gibberish isn’t the masterful debate strategy you think it is. You aren’t coming across as cleverly as you seem to think you are.