EDIT: I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?
Japan
Whys that?
I think they will have a strong will to work really hard to rebuild and will have a good mix between modernity and tradition like Japan
I’ve read that population-wise, Palestine is over 50% young people/children. Do you think that might be key to a generational refresh that allows for compromise in producing a solution at some point if all the pieces can line up?
What kind of compromise?
A two-state solution? Palestine is objectively less-developed and economically-developed than Israel, I don’t think its realistic there’s going to be a “river to the sea free of israel” type situation. Not sure whether thats what is actually being advocated for but it also seems like a point that keeps coming up over and again as I read about this.
If Israel had a far more moderate government where the leader wasn’t criminally compromised, do you think it would be possible to come up with some good enough good-faith joint effort to relieve some of the tension points and allow for change?
I don’t believe the older generation don’t want a two state solution. The problem with the two state solution proposals was always biased towards Israel and have almost no flexibility in discussing the terms. I think a one state solution makes more sens
I’ve watched videos with Palestinians lamenting the good old days when they had a job that was either in Israel or with an Israelli firm that paid much better and it makes me really question whether this is about religion or past stuff at all. I wonder if all Palestinians who are offered a better life thru gainful employment and modern peaceful lifestyle with the modern amentities wouldn’t warm to the idea of a pluralistic and perhaps closer to 1-state solution altho I also understand where the Israelis are coming from in terms of not wanting the muslim baggage and ongoing concerns that creates.
Religions that create such a conviction that there’s another better life you can arbitrarily access if you do violence in your god’s name are inherently antithetical to modern life and cohesion so I get that they would be reluctant if it came to that. There would very likely be a non-zero number of civillian deaths and incidents that would immediately be blamed on any unification
They would definitely have some kind of mandatory military service instituted. I don’t think they would ever trust their Zionist neighbors.
Culturally and economically speaking, it would be very similar to Lebanon or Syria in my opinion.
Defensive tho or offensive?
Palestine
Edited post, what other different arab nation?
Obviously similar to neighboring countries like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan.
Hint: It is obvious you are trying to propagandize in favor of Israel. No, no possible answer to your question justifies anything Israel has been doing.
I think its fair to ask an objective “what would a free Palestine look like”
I’m interested in what life would be like for folks there.
Young people seem so different when they don’t have a physical or emotional gun to their back, I actually entertain the idea that young Palestinians (with aid and world collaboration) could work towards—I dunno, like Pakistan or something. I don’t know a lot about all the geopolitics but Pakistan is seperate from India, thats an achievement that seems similar
I’m interested in how a free Palestine would play out in terms of what that would mean for women, gays, children, people of non-muslim religions, in terms of personal freedoms, etc. For the average citizen/denizen what would that look like?
Well the future doens’t permit accurate predictions.
Ahmad Yusuf, the deputy foreign minister of Hamas, said in 2010 that he wanted a country like Turkey, not like the Taliban:
According to Yusuf, who said he is writing a book called “Erdoğan and a New Strategic Vision,” the Taliban is “opposed to everything,” including education and women’s rights. “Erdoğan’s model, on the other hand, is liberal. It is a model that dares to take responsibility and change things and establishes good relations between the religious and secular elements of society,” he said. “It is a model that works for democracy and human rights, and supports an open society. That is what we want.”
inb4 Woids saying Erdoğan isn’t liberal enough for them: homosexuality is not criminalised in Turkey, Bülent Ersoy is a major celebrity.
I’m not praising Turkey, I’d see Erdoğan gone if I could, I’m just getting some facts out b4 Woids say Turkey is Muslim therefore intolerant. It has freedom of religion too.
Also worth mentioning that Ahmad Yusuf is one politician among many, expressing one possible vision for the future of Palestine. There are other political currents swirling internally.
Thats a very interesting case example. I will have to learn more about Turkey, altho it seems like the Democratic part is doing a lot of heavy lifting relative to what I’ve heard about Turkey being like Hungary in terms of democratic realities. It is impressive that they don’t have the usual antihomosexuality laws and hangups other Muslim nations have.
Then again, they probably couldn’t be part of EU with something like that on the books, no?
Then again, they probably couldn’t be part of EU with something like that on the books, no?
It’s got nothing to do with the EU because it goes back hundreds of years. Ireland joined the EEC 21 years before legalising the gay.
the usual antihomosexuality laws and hangups other Muslim nations have.
This is overstated by liberals who want to create a “West = pro-gay”, “Rest = anti-gay” narrative
I’m not sure it has ever been true that the Woids love gays and the Muslims hate them.
Scholars wrote “Persian literature is essentially a homosexual literature”
Contemporary to this, the Brits are doing Oscar Wilde to death for sodomy. And the Ottomans were gaying it up, creating the modern idea of a Turkish Bathhouse. And which Empire governed Palestine until 1917? And which Empire took it over after that?
It was the British who passed anti-gay laws in Palestine, it having been legal under Muslim rulers.
Don’t buy into the liberal idea that Muslim=anti-gay. Have you ever been to Afghanistan? Gayest culture I’ve ever seen.
Thanks, I appreciate the correction. Good to know for real