As Google Chrome disables uBlock Origin and other unsupported extensions, rivals like Brave and now Opera have confirmed they will support it. The latter has explained how it hopes to do so.
If every single person that uses adblock decided to move to Firefox because of MV3, it wouldn’t make a single dent in Chromium’s dominance. We vastly overstate the amount of people that even know what an adblocker is.
There are at least 3.45 billion Chrome users (not chromium, chrome).
Out of those ~900 million adblocker users, how many are using those adblockers that let paid advertiser’s to get on a whitelist? How many are willing to make an effort to change browsers? Firefox’s 180 million users is the indicative of this, and not all of them user adblockers, so the numbers keep getting thinner.
It wouldn’t make a single dent in Chrome’s dominance.
Im using Firefox because fuck Google’s monopoly, but Firefox seems to care little for some stuff I think is critical, namely AV codec support. Lack of out of the box support for HEVC and a few others, which my underlying OS supports perfectly, is a big turn off.
If you’re gonna use Opera anyway, why not just use Brave and disable the crypto stuff? The native adblocker on Brave is on par with uBlock Origin and performs even better. Opera is probably the worst direction you can go from where you are right now…
That’s true. 2 years ago, I come by my friend’s house for a drink, and his kid is watching cartoons on YT. My friend’s been a gamer for +20 years. Spent most of his life around PC. All of a sudden, I hear ads.
What’s that? What? What’s with the ads? Oh that, that’s YT.
I know it is, but what’s with the ads? Well, they have ads. I know they do, but why do you have them…
Installed adblocker for him, he’s looking at it in shock. I’m looking at him shocked…
Yes I agree. If you are using adblocker you are already not an average user. Using A
adblocker with custom filters put you on the extreme end and most of those users are either already on FF or have migrated to FF since the MV3 announcement.
And let’s not forget adblock made for MV3 will work well enough for those users who aren’t using adblocker with custom filters.
Even if Google kill off adblock completely with its browser, chrome will still be dominating the market by a huge margin.
According to both websites, the research was conducted on just 2000 USA citizens. In my opinion, that’s a lot of weight being pulled by claiming they represent the entire country. I am unable to download the research papers here, but what does it say about the sample? If they are researching solely on more tech savvy people, then I think the results are very likely to be skewed to one side
Frankly, I’m not sure about the quality of the Censuswide survey.
Market data from YouGov Global Profiles shows that 51-52% of people globally (in “48 markets”) use ad blocking on at least 1 device. That percentage is 45-46% for people in the US.
My point is that when a significant proportion of internet users have ad blockers, they’re not just niche tools anymore.
I’m not really trying to disprove or disagree with anything, I just think that knowing the sample is important. For instance, earlier in Hungary, we’ve had a lot of billboards and other media claiming that 99% of Hungarians were against things like sending aid to Ukraine and gender affirming politics. In a purely statistical sense, this was correct and could dissuade the common folk into thinking that’s representative of the country. However when you investigate further, their research was done on just a couple thousand citizens that were all either affiliated someway to Fidesz (the rulling party) or historically voted for them, which overwhelmingly skews the results towards one end.
Hey, I think you’re totally right to challenge a statistic when it looks questionable. Censuswide didn’t release the full data publicly, and the survey was commissioned by the Ghostery ad blocker, so there’s reason to suspect that the data is biased.
I trust the YouGov data more, since YouGov is also a credible pollster and the data is being provided as market research data for businesses. However, since I don’t subscribe to their data service, I don’t have details of the methodology here, either.
Opera, being owned by Chinese big tech is probably the only “mainstream” browser I find worse than Chrome and I doubt it will have any measurable effect on Googles market dominance. Don’t get me wrong Google would absolutely deserve to trip and fall for the enshittification route they’re taking, but I don’t see how Opera could do what Firefox can’t when Opera is very reliant on Google.
I was referring to Google banning ad blockers more than Opera’s move to bypass the block in chromium. I should have clarified that in my original comment, but I was quite sleep deprived when I wrote it.
I know I’m a drop in the bucket but I have always been a diehard Google fanboy and, in the recent years, have switched to iOS, Firefox, and DuckDuckGo. No regrets.
I also switched after about 10 years of dunking on iPhone users for accepting locked up phones with inferior hardware.
Turns out the software experience is a lot better and if you want access to your banking apps, you have to keep your Androids locked up nowadays anyway. I’d always ran custom roms, but one day I couldn’t anymore so I thought long and hard and in the end just went to the nearest Apple store and bought an iPhone.
And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree…
Opera Browser (before it was sold to a Chinese company) did have its own browser engine before it went Chromium. It was called Presto. source. The team that used to own/run Opera before the sale to China formed again to make the Vivaldi browser.
Vivaldi and Brave will continue to support Manifest V2 addons (like uBlock Origin) until July 2025. The article doesn’t say how long Opera will continue, but I’m guessing its the same deadline of July too.
I truly hope this leads to the collapse of Chrome’s sheer market dominance. Fuck Google.
If every single person that uses adblock decided to move to Firefox because of MV3, it wouldn’t make a single dent in Chromium’s dominance. We vastly overstate the amount of people that even know what an adblocker is.
Nah it would make a big dent for sure.
Firefox has ~180 million users
Amount of users using adblockers is ~900 million.
It would massively change the market.
Numbers according to mozilla and statista
There are at least 3.45 billion Chrome users (not chromium, chrome).
Out of those ~900 million adblocker users, how many are using those adblockers that let paid advertiser’s to get on a whitelist? How many are willing to make an effort to change browsers? Firefox’s 180 million users is the indicative of this, and not all of them user adblockers, so the numbers keep getting thinner.
It wouldn’t make a single dent in Chrome’s dominance.
This is the hypothetical we are talking about. This is obviously not realistic so i dont know what your point is.
Im using Firefox because fuck Google’s monopoly, but Firefox seems to care little for some stuff I think is critical, namely AV codec support. Lack of out of the box support for HEVC and a few others, which my underlying OS supports perfectly, is a big turn off.
May be time to give Opera a spin
I wish Firefox would build a tablet/scalable interface. It’s horrible on a tablet and breaks on DeX.
If you’re gonna use Opera anyway, why not just use Brave and disable the crypto stuff? The native adblocker on Brave is on par with uBlock Origin and performs even better. Opera is probably the worst direction you can go from where you are right now…
That’s true. 2 years ago, I come by my friend’s house for a drink, and his kid is watching cartoons on YT. My friend’s been a gamer for +20 years. Spent most of his life around PC. All of a sudden, I hear ads.
What’s that? What? What’s with the ads? Oh that, that’s YT.
I know it is, but what’s with the ads? Well, they have ads. I know they do, but why do you have them…
Installed adblocker for him, he’s looking at it in shock. I’m looking at him shocked…
People have no idea, what we take for granted. 😅
Yes I agree. If you are using adblocker you are already not an average user. Using A adblocker with custom filters put you on the extreme end and most of those users are either already on FF or have migrated to FF since the MV3 announcement.
And let’s not forget adblock made for MV3 will work well enough for those users who aren’t using adblocker with custom filters.
Even if Google kill off adblock completely with its browser, chrome will still be dominating the market by a huge margin.
Over half of all Americans use an ad blocker. It’s time to recognize that average users do block ads.
According to both websites, the research was conducted on just 2000 USA citizens. In my opinion, that’s a lot of weight being pulled by claiming they represent the entire country. I am unable to download the research papers here, but what does it say about the sample? If they are researching solely on more tech savvy people, then I think the results are very likely to be skewed to one side
Frankly, I’m not sure about the quality of the Censuswide survey.
Market data from YouGov Global Profiles shows that 51-52% of people globally (in “48 markets”) use ad blocking on at least 1 device. That percentage is 45-46% for people in the US.
My point is that when a significant proportion of internet users have ad blockers, they’re not just niche tools anymore.
I’m not really trying to disprove or disagree with anything, I just think that knowing the sample is important. For instance, earlier in Hungary, we’ve had a lot of billboards and other media claiming that 99% of Hungarians were against things like sending aid to Ukraine and gender affirming politics. In a purely statistical sense, this was correct and could dissuade the common folk into thinking that’s representative of the country. However when you investigate further, their research was done on just a couple thousand citizens that were all either affiliated someway to Fidesz (the rulling party) or historically voted for them, which overwhelmingly skews the results towards one end.
Hey, I think you’re totally right to challenge a statistic when it looks questionable. Censuswide didn’t release the full data publicly, and the survey was commissioned by the Ghostery ad blocker, so there’s reason to suspect that the data is biased.
I trust the YouGov data more, since YouGov is also a credible pollster and the data is being provided as market research data for businesses. However, since I don’t subscribe to their data service, I don’t have details of the methodology here, either.
Opera, being owned by Chinese big tech is probably the only “mainstream” browser I find worse than Chrome and I doubt it will have any measurable effect on Googles market dominance. Don’t get me wrong Google would absolutely deserve to trip and fall for the enshittification route they’re taking, but I don’t see how Opera could do what Firefox can’t when Opera is very reliant on Google.
I was referring to Google banning ad blockers more than Opera’s move to bypass the block in chromium. I should have clarified that in my original comment, but I was quite sleep deprived when I wrote it.
I know I’m a drop in the bucket but I have always been a diehard Google fanboy and, in the recent years, have switched to iOS, Firefox, and DuckDuckGo. No regrets.
There’s dozens of us! Dozens! (Switched to Apple after 12 years of being an Android enthusiast.)
I also switched after about 10 years of dunking on iPhone users for accepting locked up phones with inferior hardware.
Turns out the software experience is a lot better and if you want access to your banking apps, you have to keep your Androids locked up nowadays anyway. I’d always ran custom roms, but one day I couldn’t anymore so I thought long and hard and in the end just went to the nearest Apple store and bought an iPhone.
If the chrome market share significantly degrades then google will stop pumping so much money into it.
And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree…
Safari is WebKit, which branched off from Chrome when Google forked WebKit into Blink. So they’re like siblings.
Technically, Chrome branched off from Safari when they forked WebKit into Blink…
Opera Browser (before it was sold to a Chinese company) did have its own browser engine before it went Chromium. It was called Presto. source. The team that used to own/run Opera before the sale to China formed again to make the Vivaldi browser.
Vivaldi and Brave will continue to support Manifest V2 addons (like uBlock Origin) until July 2025. The article doesn’t say how long Opera will continue, but I’m guessing its the same deadline of July too.
Presto era Opera was fantastic. At the time Firefox was kinda stagnating and Opera was just innovating.
You might like Vivaldi, they’re the most innovative chromium derived browser that I’ve used
I love Vivaldi. Am sad it’s Chromium. Wish Firefox would take a page out of Vivaldi’s features book and innovation approach.
So… basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree?
Because if there is not massive amounts of money and resources pumped into Chromium development? Vivaldi and Brave will be up a creek
Technically Chromium is based on Safari to some degree, but they split ways a long, long time ago.
Ladybird is eventually going to be a brand new browser on its’ own engine, hopefully.
Servo is being worked on again, so that’s something.