i am more than willing to engage on any positive claim you want to make (i probably agree with a lot of them). what i’m not willing to do is tolerate personal attacks and dogpiling.

no, it functions as it should.

I think we have different values

there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it’s generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don’t care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn’t make them bad.

it’s not cruelty. the suffering isn’t the intention, it’s just incidental.

it’s called animal husbandry

fields used to grow grass could be used either for other (human-edible) crops

some. I doubt that’s true for most grasslands.

from the abstract

We then analysed the potential of replacing food-competing feedstuff—here cereals, whole fish, vegetable oils and pulses that account for 15% of total feed use—with food system by-products and residues.

a distinct minority of animal feed competes with human food

and the feed grown “for animals” is largely a byproduct of plants grown for people. it’s incredibly dishonest.

this is (at least partially) based on poore-nemecek. it’s bad science gaining entrenchment.

source

I derailed any possible discussion about “Plants feel pain” before it ever came up

it seems you strongly prefer to attack things I haven’t said than to deal with what I do say

I can’t eat corncobs or stalks. feeding it to cattle so I can eat cheese and beef is a conservation of resources

none of what you said addresses the facts that I raised. you are attacking things I didn’t say and positions I don’t hold.

Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

your dunk-brained links to Reddit are not getting clicked

the same crops that feed animals feed people. they eat fodder and industrial waste from the same fields that produce food that people eat. it’s a conservation of resources.

how do you measure crops if not by crop calories?

what I’m reading is that I’m right, and you would like to shift the discussion to land use

Universal suffrage, abolition and gay marriage didn’t just suddenly came out of thin air because corporations and governments decided to become nicer

of course not. it was people advocating for their recognition as fully human

How are the corporations and governments going to change if one person doesn’t commit the first action of doing better and inspiring others to do the same.

didn’t you already try that

I just want people in c/science to stick to scientifically provable claims