These are some good points, I can’t really disagree with them. Transparency and equal access to information is usually a worthwhile goal.
It’s possible that I may be coming from a biased perspective as an admin who can already view modlog and sees this causing plenty of drama down the road, as opposed to purely looking at the pros/cons for an average user. I’m interested to see how the Agora discussion goes.
Yeah I guess. I just feel like a user complaining directly to the mod who removed their post is unlikely to have a productive outcome. It’s not likely that the moderator is suddenly going to change their mind and restore it, nor is it likely that the user is going to suddenly decide that the removal was justified. You’re probably gonna need a third party to arbitrate anyway.
But I also don’t totally disagree, it’s definitely worthy of discussion.
Are moderators able to see the public modlog for their own community? Or is the modlog totally anonymous for everyone besides admins?
I’m not sure what the case is, I expected that moderators would be able to view the identity of mod actions in their own communities.
Thanks.
Yeah, I’d have to oppose you on that suggestion. Vigilante justice is rarely effective. It’s perfectly functional as is, where users can identify anonymous mod actions that they disagree with, and then raise the issue with other moderators/admins, who can deal with the issue.
Even if users could publicly see the mod names, the proper response is still to contact the admin if you believe the mod is abusing their power. Which you can already do right now. So the only change would be that users would start DMing mods abusively and making meta posts about mod decisions that would ultimately be far more dramatic and far less effective than simply reporting the behavior to the relevant authority (admin or senior mod) and letting them deal with it internally.
Previous comments are spot on.
One thing I would add is that Lemmy is a particularly sensitive case, because we really want to encourage activity and growth at this stage. It pains me when communities without much activity get a meme post or something that makes it into /all and the mods remove it for being off-topic.
Overly strict moderation is one of the fastest ways to drive people away from a platform. Just follow your natural instincts and let people post what they want as long as it’s not harming anyone.
PTB
What does this mean?
Their comments are certainly rude, but I didn’t see anything that I’d characterize as disgusting.
U/nuke erroneously believed that Ada was deliberately removing many of the posts from NCD, but it was actually because u/CDRMITTENS had been banned from blahaj.zone months ago and was one of their most prolific posters. Despite this misunderstanding, the fact remains that blahaj.zone can and does selectively remove content from NCD on the basis that it constitutes political extremism.
Nuke was overly rude and aggressive in their behavior, but this isn’t really a case of mod abuse. They informed their subscribers that some community content is being removed by admins from a particular server, which is true and serves the community. Then they removed a bunch of comments for brigading and criticizing them, which was maybe a bit over the top.
This is not an ideal situation and better communication could have prevented it, but it’s ultimately a minor issue. A more senior NCD mod has since restored many of the comments and reverted bans. Also, they have refederated with blahaj.zone already. Thank you to u/Shit for helping to resolve this issue.
Huh, I never heard of ghost.org before. That’s a pretty cool project
That’s definitely fair. Thanks for starting the Agora thread