Nothing in that article suggests Proton doesn’t care about privacy. Every country has laws that must be abided by. Their verbage on not logging IPs was misleading but not inaccurate as they weren’t until ordered to by law. At that point the law was able to find the person because of lack of opsec on the perp’s part.
Besides that, to my knowledge all of Proton is open source and encrypted. It has been audited and proven to be secure.
Quit letting politics ruin our collective privacy by suggesting to people that Proton is now an evil company. They support Trump because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great for privacy and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Proton has a business model where they want the user to put their eggs all in one basket. If you want that kind of userbase you need to leave your personal politics out of it. The problem isn’t that the CEO is right wing. It’s that he is very publicly right wing. Supports a known huckster. And lastly could be vying for a role in the administration. All of this calls into question just for how long Proton will be secure before they are selling user info to the state.
Politics are very fucking important in terms of security for whistleblowers and dissidents. They are the canaries in the coalmine as far as personal liberties go.
Quit letting politics ruin our collective ability to drive by suggesting to people that Volkswagen is now an evil company. They support Hitler because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great at making cars and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Personally I’ve been using Tutanota and bitwarden happily. I guess it kinda depends on what you’re looking for alternatives to, I don’t know if anyone else offers as comprehensive of a complete suite of stuff
Those recommendations would probably be more useful to the person who was asking for recs, though it’s worth pointing out your solutions to certain things aren’t really 1 to 1 alternatives and may not be suitable for someone who’s looking for services akin to proton
“Betrayal” might be a wrong word for it, but I find this disappointing because the current events are the reason I have tried using Proton instead of Gmail. A tweet wont ruin the functionality of Proton, but it goes against my personal rationale for making the switch.
Many feel betrayed because he (partially at least) politically aligns with someone (and something) they loathe intensely. The feeling of betrayal probably comes from an implied idea that because they align on the issue of digital privacy they naturally do so in other aspects, and with the comments made by the CEO that idea is burst and someone who once felt familiar is now foreign.
He doesn’t have to be incorrect in order for people to feel betrayed by his comments. The commenter was answering the question of why people felt betrayed. Demonstrating the incorrectness of the CEO’s take is out of scope.
(Although, he definitely is also incorrect. Republicans love corporations and monopolies even more than Democrats do. They’re slightly more nationalistic about it though, which is the only reason they ever make noises to oppose corporations that aren’t sufficiently US-owned.)
The comment from anonymous implied that there was no real betrayal. Just because someone fights for digital privacy does not mean he’s on the same side for other topics. Feeling betrayed and actually being betrayed are not the same thing.
The article is from December, so the interviewer couldn’t have asked about their CEO’s recent betrayal: https://insights.priva.cat/p/does-proton-still-stand-for-anything
Nothing in that article suggests Proton doesn’t care about privacy. Every country has laws that must be abided by. Their verbage on not logging IPs was misleading but not inaccurate as they weren’t until ordered to by law. At that point the law was able to find the person because of lack of opsec on the perp’s part.
Besides that, to my knowledge all of Proton is open source and encrypted. It has been audited and proven to be secure.
Quit letting politics ruin our collective privacy by suggesting to people that Proton is now an evil company. They support Trump because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great for privacy and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Proton has a business model where they want the user to put their eggs all in one basket. If you want that kind of userbase you need to leave your personal politics out of it. The problem isn’t that the CEO is right wing. It’s that he is very publicly right wing. Supports a known huckster. And lastly could be vying for a role in the administration. All of this calls into question just for how long Proton will be secure before they are selling user info to the state.
Politics are very fucking important in terms of security for whistleblowers and dissidents. They are the canaries in the coalmine as far as personal liberties go.
This is the importance of it being open source. If they started shifting away from that then it would raise eyebrows
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Quit letting politics ruin our collective ability to drive by suggesting to people that Volkswagen is now an evil company. They support Hitler because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great at making cars and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Please summarize in what way he betrayed anyone?
Because I see nothing in that article.
People and businesses are allowed to have political opinions. I can disagree with them (or not) while still respecting the service they provide.
People feel betrayed that he kissed Trump’s ring, so to speak. But that’s CEOs for you. The bourgeoisie have class solidarity.
I didn’t realize that. What’re the best Proton alternatives?
Personally I’ve been using Tutanota and bitwarden happily. I guess it kinda depends on what you’re looking for alternatives to, I don’t know if anyone else offers as comprehensive of a complete suite of stuff
+1 for tuta and bitwarden.
I won’t touch anything microsoft with a long pole, so no bitwarden
Just use KeePassXc/Dx as you were meant to
Bitwarden is associated with Microsoft…?
Edit: I wasn’t able to find anything suggesting they’re connected, I’d love to know what you mean… I don’t keep up with stuff super closely
At most I think it’s hosted on azure. That’s it.
Source?
Did you misread Bitlocker? Or was Bitwarden bought my Microsoft? If the latter, i can’t find a source.
Convenience shouldn’t be prioritized over distribution of services one uses. Single point of failure and all that jazz.
Those recommendations would probably be more useful to the person who was asking for recs, though it’s worth pointing out your solutions to certain things aren’t really 1 to 1 alternatives and may not be suitable for someone who’s looking for services akin to proton
“Betrayal” might be a wrong word for it, but I find this disappointing because the current events are the reason I have tried using Proton instead of Gmail. A tweet wont ruin the functionality of Proton, but it goes against my personal rationale for making the switch.
Many feel betrayed because he (partially at least) politically aligns with someone (and something) they loathe intensely. The feeling of betrayal probably comes from an implied idea that because they align on the issue of digital privacy they naturally do so in other aspects, and with the comments made by the CEO that idea is burst and someone who once felt familiar is now foreign.
Trump isn’t the politician I most loathe. He’s just the only politician that I’ve ever feared might kill or imprison me purely for who I am.
From a previous reply that I made :
https://lemmy.ml/comment/16136772
@anonymous comment still stands. Your previous comment doesn’t indicate how he is incorrect, if that is what you’re suggesting.
He doesn’t have to be incorrect in order for people to feel betrayed by his comments. The commenter was answering the question of why people felt betrayed. Demonstrating the incorrectness of the CEO’s take is out of scope.
(Although, he definitely is also incorrect. Republicans love corporations and monopolies even more than Democrats do. They’re slightly more nationalistic about it though, which is the only reason they ever make noises to oppose corporations that aren’t sufficiently US-owned.)
I think the “he” there was @anonymous@lemm.ee, not the CEO of Proton.
The comment from anonymous implied that there was no real betrayal. Just because someone fights for digital privacy does not mean he’s on the same side for other topics. Feeling betrayed and actually being betrayed are not the same thing.
You are correct about that, thank you for clarifying