The article is from December, so the interviewer couldn’t have asked about their CEO’s recent betrayal: https://insights.priva.cat/p/does-proton-still-stand-for-anything
Nothing in that article suggests Proton doesn’t care about privacy. Every country has laws that must be abided by. Their verbage on not logging IPs was misleading but not inaccurate as they weren’t until ordered to by law. At that point the law was able to find the person because of lack of opsec on the perp’s part.
Besides that, to my knowledge all of Proton is open source and encrypted. It has been audited and proven to be secure.
Quit letting politics ruin our collective privacy by suggesting to people that Proton is now an evil company. They support Trump because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great for privacy and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Proton has a business model where they want the user to put their eggs all in one basket. If you want that kind of userbase you need to leave your personal politics out of it. The problem isn’t that the CEO is right wing. It’s that he is very publicly right wing. Supports a known huckster. And lastly could be vying for a role in the administration. All of this calls into question just for how long Proton will be secure before they are selling user info to the state.
Politics are very fucking important in terms of security for whistleblowers and dissidents. They are the canaries in the coalmine as far as personal liberties go.
This is the importance of it being open source. If they started shifting away from that then it would raise eyebrows
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Quit letting politics ruin our collective ability to drive by suggesting to people that Volkswagen is now an evil company. They support Hitler because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great at making cars and we shouldn’t be infighting about that.
Please summarize in what way he betrayed anyone?
Because I see nothing in that article.
People and businesses are allowed to have political opinions. I can disagree with them (or not) while still respecting the service they provide.
Please summarize in what way he betrayed anyone?
People feel betrayed that he kissed Trump’s ring, so to speak. But that’s CEOs for you. The bourgeoisie have class solidarity.
I didn’t realize that. What’re the best Proton alternatives?
Personally I’ve been using Tutanota and bitwarden happily. I guess it kinda depends on what you’re looking for alternatives to, I don’t know if anyone else offers as comprehensive of a complete suite of stuff
+1 for tuta and bitwarden.
I won’t touch anything microsoft with a long pole, so no bitwarden
Just use KeePassXc/Dx as you were meant to
Bitwarden is associated with Microsoft…?
Edit: I wasn’t able to find anything suggesting they’re connected, I’d love to know what you mean… I don’t keep up with stuff super closely
Did you misread Bitlocker? Or was Bitwarden bought my Microsoft? If the latter, i can’t find a source.
Source?
Convenience shouldn’t be prioritized over distribution of services one uses. Single point of failure and all that jazz.
- Tuta
- KeePass XC
- SyncThing
- VeraCrypt
- pCloud + Cryptomator
- Mullvad VPN
- Librewolf
- IronFox
- openSuse Tumbleweed
Those recommendations would probably be more useful to the person who was asking for recs, though it’s worth pointing out your solutions to certain things aren’t really 1 to 1 alternatives and may not be suitable for someone who’s looking for services akin to proton
“Betrayal” might be a wrong word for it, but I find this disappointing because the current events are the reason I have tried using Proton instead of Gmail. A tweet wont ruin the functionality of Proton, but it goes against my personal rationale for making the switch.
Many feel betrayed because he (partially at least) politically aligns with someone (and something) they loathe intensely. The feeling of betrayal probably comes from an implied idea that because they align on the issue of digital privacy they naturally do so in other aspects, and with the comments made by the CEO that idea is burst and someone who once felt familiar is now foreign.
Trump isn’t the politician I most loathe. He’s just the only politician that I’ve ever feared might kill or imprison me purely for who I am.
From a previous reply that I made :
@anonymous comment still stands. Your previous comment doesn’t indicate how he is incorrect, if that is what you’re suggesting.
He doesn’t have to be incorrect in order for people to feel betrayed by his comments. The commenter was answering the question of why people felt betrayed. Demonstrating the incorrectness of the CEO’s take is out of scope.
(Although, he definitely is also incorrect. Republicans love corporations and monopolies even more than Democrats do. They’re slightly more nationalistic about it though, which is the only reason they ever make noises to oppose corporations that aren’t sufficiently US-owned.)
I think the “he” there was @anonymous@lemm.ee, not the CEO of Proton.
The comment from anonymous implied that there was no real betrayal. Just because someone fights for digital privacy does not mean he’s on the same side for other topics. Feeling betrayed and actually being betrayed are not the same thing.
You are correct about that, thank you for clarifying
Unless I’m missing something, didn’t Yen just praise 🍄’s pick for antitrust AG? I forget her name, but her Wikipedia page didn’t make her sound all that great, so I’m not sure what exactly he was praising her for. If that’s all it is (and it might not be!) that hardly sounds like a betrayal.
EDIT: I was missing something! See this.
Praising the pick wasn’t so bad. The issues really arose when he was called out on it and chose to use Proton’s official accounts to affirm his view and went on to state:
- the republican party is now the party of the people and most likely to crack down on big tech
- The democrats have effectively betrayed their voters in favour of corporate donations
- This was Proton’s official stance
It was insane boot licking and incredibly poorly thought through. It’s fine for him to have an opinion but completely inappropriate to use their official accounts to spew such drivel and to state it was the official stance should have resulted in him being fired for damaging their reputation.
edit: I was asked to provide sources so please find them here: https://feddit.uk/post/23386970/14888441
Ah, well that’s not so good then . . . 🙁
the republican party is now the party of the people and most likely to crack down on big tech
yes🤡
The democrats have effectively betrayed their voters in favour of corporate donations
yes🐸
the republican party is now the party of the people and most likely to crack down on big tech
yes🤡
Why do you think that?
This guy is a fascist, and nobody should be using proton.
Ffs it was my favorite. I just organized all my email into specific folders and every mail I get being automatically sorted into those folders so my main inbox is clean. Is there any alternative to proton with similar features?
Making a dumb tweet doesn’t make you a fascist and doesn’t invalidate the years of hard work people put into a non-profit swiss company, you should get over yourself.
No indeed.
But supporting an administration (in any medium) whose inauguration included a Nazi salute does, in fact, make you a fascist.
And no: it doesn’t matter if you previously did something good.
It’s really not that complicated,
Tbf, the nazi salute happened after he did that tweet
Fair point. But no adult who is paying attention needed the salute to understand the contempt that Musk has for the rule of law.
He marshalled an attack on the capital. No non-fascist does that.
No, a single dumb tweet doesn’t make you a fascist. Running a company that people are supposed to trust with their privacy and security and doubling down on praise for a political party that has been using state surveillance to hunt down people for choices they make with their own bodies as the party of the “little guy” does mean I’m never going to trust you again, though.
I’m reminded of this Nate Silver quote from the election:
Democrats, however — and here, I’m not referring so much Silver Bulletin subscribers but in the broader universe online — often get angry with you when you only halfway agree with them. And I really think this difference in personality profiles tells you a little something about why Trump won: Trump was happy to take on all comers, whereas with Democrats, disagreement on any hot-button topic (say, COVID school closures or Biden’s age) will have you cast out as a heretic. That’s not a good way to build a majority, and now Democrats no longer have one.
The tweet he commented on was indeed a nice idea, but a CEO should have more foresight that the things Trump stated in it would not be true. When you look at it now, it looks like it was more or less a threat that led to a closer relationship between “tech bros” and the current administration instead of the “take down” of them.
Huh, I think they forgot a pretty big regime in the headline…
