Audiences have always been interested in good storytelling. The reason the MCU took off was because it told good stories. The problem is that the stories have become too formulaic or half-baked.
People showed up for Deadpool and Wolverine, so the issue isn’t about comic book movies.
EDIT: My comment about D&W isn’t meant to hold it up as an example of good storytelling. As I said, the stories have become formulaic. My mentioning of it is meant to point out that many comic book movies succeed despite mediocre storytelling. You can’t say “audiences are tired of comic book movies” when many are still clearly successful.
I hate how we can’t just have villains anymore. It’s either a future corrupted version of our current hero, or we spend about a third of the runtime making our villains relatable so people can be upset when the consequences finally catch up to them.
Imo we don’t need relatable villains, which is ironic because I used to think being evil for the sake of being evil was annoying, until it went away.
Endgame was expurgation, but we’re still so overloaded, I think the only thing even remotely interesting to me has been loki. And that’s just because tom h is the most charming thing to exist.
I loved IW and even endgame. But looking back, even it followed the same pattern, just in longer form. IW ends with the first fight with baddy, which is lost. Once you see the pattern you can’t unsee it
I’d say hype and seeing Hugh Jackman again was what carried D&W, not really the storytelling. When you peel away the character hype and humor, the story was actually pretty bland.
Are you suggesting that Deadpool vs Wolverine is an example of good storytelling?
Edit: I found it to be entertaining enough, I expected only fan service, and I’m glad I kept it at that. But story wise? I cannot think of a marvel movie that was worse in that regard. It didn’t need to, of course… I just did a double take at this being used as an example for a good story. The borderline omnipotent and omniscient antagonist wants to destroy the universe because someone relatively unimportant didn’t keep their word? groan.
In context of this conversation Deadpool vs Wolverine would be storytelling of storytelling. Great examples are all the breaking of the forth wall and exploration of tangential stories or actors that had short lives or never made it off a writers page. It was less a single cohesive story and more a moving about storytelling.
Audiences have always been interested in good storytelling. The reason the MCU took off was because it told good stories. The problem is that the stories have become too formulaic or half-baked.
People showed up for Deadpool and Wolverine, so the issue isn’t about comic book movies.
EDIT: My comment about D&W isn’t meant to hold it up as an example of good storytelling. As I said, the stories have become formulaic. My mentioning of it is meant to point out that many comic book movies succeed despite mediocre storytelling. You can’t say “audiences are tired of comic book movies” when many are still clearly successful.
Ah good, a Marvel movie! I wonder what will happen?
Ah that was fun, did it feel similar to <<insert any other recent marvel movie>> though?
(And I say this as someone who loved the marvel movies, up until endgame, but everything since phase 3 has followed this pattern very closely)
Don’t forget how the bad guy is just a bigger, badder version of the hero.
“We’re not so different, you and I”
I’m not strong enough, but I’ll use my actual secret power: Screaming.
I hate how we can’t just have villains anymore. It’s either a future corrupted version of our current hero, or we spend about a third of the runtime making our villains relatable so people can be upset when the consequences finally catch up to them.
Imo we don’t need relatable villains, which is ironic because I used to think being evil for the sake of being evil was annoying, until it went away.
IW killed it, it broke us completely.
Endgame was expurgation, but we’re still so overloaded, I think the only thing even remotely interesting to me has been loki. And that’s just because tom h is the most charming thing to exist.
I loved IW and even endgame. But looking back, even it followed the same pattern, just in longer form. IW ends with the first fight with baddy, which is lost. Once you see the pattern you can’t unsee it
100%
I’d say hype and seeing Hugh Jackman again was what carried D&W, not really the storytelling. When you peel away the character hype and humor, the story was actually pretty bland.
D&W was two hours of pure fanservice. The story was extremely forgettable and I think that was intentional.
And still a good movie!
The story was a temu version of loki.
Wolverine was by far the best part, even with all the attempted fan service.
But man, the first D vs W fight, and then when he pulled up his mask.
Are you suggesting that Deadpool vs Wolverine is an example of good storytelling?
Edit: I found it to be entertaining enough, I expected only fan service, and I’m glad I kept it at that. But story wise? I cannot think of a marvel movie that was worse in that regard. It didn’t need to, of course… I just did a double take at this being used as an example for a good story. The borderline omnipotent and omniscient antagonist wants to destroy the universe because someone relatively unimportant didn’t keep their word? groan.
I watched it recently, not expecting much. And was still disappointed.
In context of this conversation Deadpool vs Wolverine would be storytelling of storytelling. Great examples are all the breaking of the forth wall and exploration of tangential stories or actors that had short lives or never made it off a writers page. It was less a single cohesive story and more a moving about storytelling.
yes