DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If itās not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because itās unrelated.
Unrelatedā¦ā¦
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow āunrelatedā to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
Whatās ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
On the off-chance that you donāt actually know that what youāve said is incorrect, hereās a link to wikipedia. Skip on down to the section, ā2019 detention and bond hearings.ā Youāll see that whatever dumbass told you that a court āprovedā that Mr. Garcia was related to MS-13 was saying that ICE found that he couldnāt prove he wasnāt, once, and they upheld that he couldnāt prove he wasnāt, on an appeal. Neither of which is proving anything in court once, let alone twice.
Further, an immigration judge granted him āwithholding of removalā status. This is notable because itās much harder to get a āwithholding of removalā than getting granted asylum, because you have to prove that if youāre sent to the country in question, the government will either persecute you, or choose not to protect you from prosecution.
So, to recap, itās not only not been proved that this guy has any relation to MS-13, but itās been proven to an actual court that if he gets sent to El Salvador, the Barrio 18 gang will kill him. Because the only evidence he has any connection to a gang, is that thereās a gang that wants to kill him.
Wrong. About pretty much everything you just said.
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
He was proven to be MS-13. He doesnāt have to prove he isnāt, they have to prove he is - and they did. Twice. Thatās how courts work.
FYI Wikipedia is not a trusted or reliable source. Avoid using it in future. Thereās a reason itās not allowed as a source in higher education.
Also wrong about the withholding of removal order. He was not granted that due to government persecution - he was granted it because the main rival gang to MS-13 would likely target him. What a strange thing to rule if he isnāt an MS-13 member, right?
Soā¦ the thing is, you linked a right-wing nutjob site, but! I looked into it anyway because Iām always willing to do that. And if you scroll down to where the rag youāre linking says, āwhich he has disputed in court, are included in the release,ā you would see the word āincludedā there is a hyperlink to a justice.gov website, which is the documents involved with the subsection, ā2019 detention and bond hearingsā to which I directed you.
That document is an officer talking about the other men that Garcia was with, theyāre suspected ties to MS-13, and then they talk about Garcia. Why was he suspected of being with MS-13? He was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. āOfficers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture.ā His crime was being in a Home Depot parking lot, looking for work, and wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. And I canāt stress enough that the wikipedia link which you found less trustworthy than this garbage, had all of this information!
To continue showing evidence of what I say, here is a link to an actual court document, citing the withholding of removal order. Which was granted. What youāre looking for is at the bottom of page 2- āAlthough Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10, 2019.ā
That ācourt document,ā is the Defendantās Memorandum of Law in Opposition to Plaintiffās Emergency Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Why am I emphasizing that? Because this was filed by the Department of Homeland Security. This is a document, supplied to court, by Trumpās administration, which states that the withholding status was granted.
You can send me garbage articles from idiots all day but nothing will compete with, āKristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security list that the withholding status was granted in an actual filing with the court.ā And they not only state that it was granted, they do so under the heading, āStatement of Facts.ā Enjoy.
Finally, the reason that the Barrio 18 was after him had nothing to do with MS-13. They were after him, like they had been after his older brother before him- his mother owns a business, and the Barrio 18 were extorting her.
Iād say Iām looking forward to your next reply, but Iām sure itāll be an extensive moving of goalposts. He had the withholding status. He shouldnāt have been deported. The Supreme Court agrees with me. Thatās really all I need.
I have no idea what the site is, came up as first result in search, but what the site is is irrelevant as itās simply reporting on what the White House/doj/etc has said. Iāve linked AP and other left-wing nut job sites too when they have the correct sources even if I donāt agree with the opinions written around the sources and statements.
He had withholding status, absolutely. The illegal alien act that has been invoked, however, arguably gave them the power to disregard that and deport him. That can be challenged in court if someone wants to.
Youāre also telling lies by saying that the only reason he was determined to be a MS-13 gang member was because of how he was dressed. The government has confirmed that confidential information given to them confirmed that he was MS-13. Not the current government, but the one in 2019. His tattoos on his knuckles fit the mould. The El Salvador president says he is MS-13 and that they wanted him deported to them.
The evidence is stacked up that he is a MS-13 gang member, and he admits to being in the country illegally. What do YOU think should have been done with him if not deportation to his home country where he is a citizen?
As for your reasons why the MS-13 rival gang are after him - thatās all just conjecture. Itās what an illegal immigrant said when faced with being deported to a country he doesnāt want to go back to. It could be true. On the balance of probability, given all we know - illegally entered the country, determined to be a MS-13 gang member, hangs around with other known MS-13 gang members, wears/wore gang affiliated clothing (and yes, the Chicago bulls hat is known to be a MS-13 article of clothing, even if you think it was just a coincidence), has probable gang tattoos, fears being deported - itās probably a safe bet that what he is saying isnāt 100% true.
One aside - on page 3 of that first document it says in one section (humanitarian issues) that he has no fear of returning to El Salvador, but then under another section (intelligence information) it says that he has fear of returning to El Salvador. Iād love to know which it is meant to be, because it canāt be both. It says he declined the offer to call the consulate office in El Salvador. Iām guessing there was no update or clarification of this document that is available?
You know exactly what that site is, you lying propagandist POS. Get tf out.