Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

  • BlueMonday1984@awful.systemsOP
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    New piece from The Atlantic: The Age of AI Child Abuse is Here, which delves into a large-scale hack of Muah.AI and the large-scale problem of people using AI as a child porn generator.

    And now, another personal sidenote, because I cannot stop writing these (this oneā€™s thankfully unrelated to the articleā€™s main point):

    The idea that ā€œ[Insert New Tech] Is Inevitabletmā€ (which Unserious Academic interrogated in depth BTW) took a major blow when NFTs crashed and burned in full view of the public eye and got rapidly turned into a pop-culture punchline.

    That, I suspect, is helping to fuel the large scale rejection of AI and resistance to its implementation - Silicon Valleyā€™s failure to make NFTs a thing has taught people that Silicon Valley can be beaten, that resistance is anything but futile.

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      You know, I canā€™t tell if this is supposed to be ā€œI know youā€™re saying that calling unhoused people vermin is some Nazi shit, but itā€™s more complicated than thatā€ or ā€œI know calling unhoused people vermin is some Nazi shit, and Iā€™m honestly okay with thatā€.

      Gonna guess the latter given where itā€™s coming from and the fact that the actual ā€œmore complicatedā€ is a salad of non sequiturs.

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          ā€œO Cent O Pence (R)ā€ is an anagram for ā€œNecropotenceā€

          Trump is clearly campaigning on the critically overlooked black draw engine platform, possibly to spite blue voters.

          Edit: ā€œOne Percent Co.ā€ was right there! Itā€™s all coming together now!

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      Little of this was news to me, but damn, laid out systematically like that, itā€™s even more damning than I expected. And the stuff that was new to me certainly didnā€™t help.

      Very serious people at HN at it again:

      The only argument I find here against it is the question of whether someoneā€™s personal opinions should be a reason to be removed from a leadership position.

      Yes, of course they should be! Opinions are essential to the job of a leader. If the opinions you express as a leader include things like ā€œsexual harassment is not a real crimeā€ or ā€œwe shouldnā€™t give our employees raises because otherwise theyā€™ll soon demand infinite payā€ or ā€œthereā€™s no problem in adults having sex with 14 year olds and me saying that isnā€™t going to damage the reputation of the organization I leadā€ youā€™re a terrible leader and and embarrassment of a spokesman.

      Edit: The link submitted by the editors is [flagged] [dead]. Of course.

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        The only argument I find here against it is the question of whether someoneā€™s personal opinions should be a reason to be removed from a leadership position.

        What do these people think leadership is?

        • bitofhope@awful.systems
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          No, obviously opinions like

          • ā€œif my MIT AI Lab mentor had sex with an underage sex worker on Epsteinā€™s teen rape island, that was only because he thought she consentedā€,
          • ā€œstealing a kiss from a woman is fine and not a sexual assault, maybe perhaps at most itā€™s supposedly sexual harassment which is not real and is actually fineā€,
          • ā€œI donā€™t believe in bereavement leave. What if all your close friends and family die one after another? Itā€™s conceivable you would be gone from the office for days, or weeks, if not months.1 What if you lie about who is dying?ā€,
          • ā€œOvertly sexualizing ā€˜parodyā€™ ceremonies for a semi-fictitious church of Emacs centering around unprepared girls and women in my audience are fine and when people participate in them, there is certainly no peer pressure involved, not that I care if there isā€,
          • ā€œItā€™s fine to throw a tantrum about Emacs supporting another compiler infrastructure Not Invented Here. LLVM/Clang is supported by Apple and has a permissive license instead of GPL so itā€™s basically proprietary, right?ā€,
          • ā€œYou may have heard or read critical statements about me; <a href=https://website.made.by.my.sychophants.example.com>please make up your own mind.</a>ā€,

          are in the same category as ā€œI think pineapple on pizza is delicious/disgustingā€ when it comes to evaluating someoneā€™s aptitude as a leader.

          I advocate for Free Software despite RMS. I recognize the value of his good contributions and that I might not even have the concept of Free Software and its value without him. I donā€™t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and the editors of the report make it clear that neither do they. I think Stallman is an embarrassment and a liability for the Free Software movement. I respect his moral integrity on software freedom and some other political causes (including his clumsy, yet justified condemnations of police brutality, and boycott of Coca-Cola company due to their use of fascist death squads to suppress Colombian trade unions), but his awful takes on issues of basic respect and empathy toward women, suspiciously fervent wilingness to defend sexual relations between teenage minors and adults, and a number of other gaffes (both ones listed in the report and some that are less morally detestable, but still embarrassing) are still bad enough that Iā€™d be willing to elect an inanimate carbon rod as the leader of the movement before him.

          1: Itā€™s conceivable that Richard Matthew Stallman has a secret humiliation fetish he indulges in by installing Oracle products on his secret Windows 11 computer while drinking Coca-Cola. I do not wish to imply that Richard Matthew Stallman has a secret humiliation fetish he indulges in by installing Oracle products on his secret Windows 11 computer while drinking Coca-Cola, but I will simply point out itā€™s conceivable that Richard Matthew Stallman has such a secret humiliation fetish involving the aforementioned details, and that I have conceived such a scenario simply to prove it is conceivable, that (etc.).

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      Jesus GNU Christ, Live your life so that no one ever produces a systematic classification of your opinions that looks like this

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        ok my first thought was to make a joke about castle warfare, despite my knowledge set being ephemera from a childhood appreciating tech trees in video games. So I did some research:

        • The etymology of ā€œmoatā€ is that it comes from the word ā€œmotteā€. I will not elaborate.
        • Moats were effective against early forms of siege warfare, like battering rams, siege towers, and mining out the foundations of a castleā€™s defences, or anything that required approaching the castle directly
        • Moats were made somewhat obsolete by siege artillery, which did not need to be in the direct vicinity of the castle

        Err so yeah. Make your own jokes, ig.

        Anyway, this has been MoatFactsā„¢ļø. Paging @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de for better commentary*

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          idk what to exactly put there, moat is still an obstacle even in modern context, but assault on a castle with a moat using modern weaponry would be hilariously one-sided. you can suppress defenders with something, use a bridge layer to get inside the moat, then let combat engineers do their shenanigans to ā€œopenā€ castle one way or another. or you can use helis to do the same, or you can just level it all with artillery or airstrike or maybe even loads of ATGMs

          that said itā€™s not completely useless. moats but dry were used as a part of fixed fortifications in ww1 quite successfully. freshly invented electrified barbed wire fence and machine guns made them quite hard to pass, especially if you are, say, a peasant from tula oblast born in 1898 that has never seen powerline before. i think the last proper moat use in large-scale warfare happened during iran-iraq war, in battle of the marshes, when iraqis flooded previously dry area known as fish lake and put underwater coils of barbed wire and high-voltage cables. defensive tactic used there was to shoot at assaulting iranians to make them abandon or fall out of their boats or amphibious vehicles, then when they were in the water high voltage lines were energized. iranians eventually crossed the marshes entirely using speedboats. maybe itā€™s not that outdated considering that last recored bayonet charge happened in 2004 (by brits in iraq). ymmv

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          In this context, ā€œmoatā€ is a cargo-cult invocation of Warren Buffett and Benjamin Graham. Just another square on the hackernews bingo

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          Surely Wikia could have catapulted to the upper echelons of the Fortune 500 if they had just moved faster to gatekeep the facts about gender-swapped Lady Vegeta being a rare card in set 27 of the Dragonball gacha game

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      I really wonder what the meeting looked like where they decided on that change, because Iā€™m struggling coming up with a single argument for it that doesnā€™t boil down to giving abusive asshats more playtime.

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        my bet: tweets that came to felonā€™s attention which he couldnā€™t view because the poster had block felon

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      Iā€™m really really not happy about this. There is one person Iā€™ve been trying to keep out for the last few years and now they can come crawl all my fucking posts?? And report my account!?

      Edit: apparently being protected should offer me some protection still.

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      This is a license for stalkers & abusers ! No surprise from someone like Elon I suppose

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      He also put ā€˜everything you post is now training data for aisā€™ in his tos apparently. So nightshade poison those images and start building a following on other sites artists. (And as a non artist, reminder to self to like and repost more artists I like).

      E: quick source

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      God, I hope this is a scam, and that whoever is running it is just smashing together todayā€™s buzzwords to print money.

      This 180$ ebook better be completely autoplagged and in no way intended to be informational.

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        the upside of it listing a pile of author names: one can go look up their published works, and add them to crank trackers if necessary (seems likely)

        the ToC is some fantastical fucking nonsense

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      Day 2686 of wondering how much Google can keep enshittifying everything it touches before people catch on.

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        I know you probably had no intention behind the number, but I just had to check. 2686 days ago was 12 June 2017. Pretty sure weā€™ve known about how google fumbles shit from way before then!

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          That was the day when the transformer paper was released that kicked off this whole LLM shitshow. So my intention was just a little nod towards that. ;)

          But yeah, the real number is probably quite a bit larger than that.

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    Me, a nuclear engineer reading about ā€œGoogle restarting six nuclear power plantsā€

    lol, lmao even

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        That launch happened Feb 2018. By that time, I was already solidified as a musk sceptic and didnā€™t pay attention to the hubbub. Thinking back on it:

        1. Why was this a thing?
        2. per wikipedia:

        Musk explained he wanted to inspire the public about the ā€œpossibility of something new happening in spaceā€ as part of his larger vision for spreading humanity to other planets.ā€™

        What I like about the phrasing ā€œpossibility of something newā€ is that nothing new really happened with that launch. Weā€™ve already sent all kinds of junk into space in configurations varying in impressiveness.

        1. Naming the mannequin Starman falls apart since the eponymous starman is an extra terrestrial. Just goes to show that Musk is not a Real NerdTM and just makes surface level references to look cool.
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          Why was this a thing?

          Publicity stunt for both SpaceX and Tesla, as well as Musk himself, and a successful one at that.

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            šŸ™„šŸ™„šŸ™„

            Hope Muskā€™s existence and influence today was worth it, nerds from 2018!

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          I was also a Elon skeptic back-then, but Iā€™ll admit I did get a kick out of the ā€œdonā€™t panicā€ dashboard.

          But golly does he read H2G2 completely wrong (transcript):

          I think and it highlighted an important point which is that a lot of times the question is harder than the answer. And if you can properly phrase the question, then the answer is the easy part. So, to the degree that we can better understand the universe, then we can better know what questions to ask. Then whatever the question is that most approximates: whatā€™s the meaning of life? Thatā€™s the question we can ultimately get closer to understanding. And so I thought to the degree that we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness and knowledge, then that would be a good thing.

          Itā€™s backwards! It misses the joke! It took thousands of years and they got a nonsensical answer before any question! It took a thousand more and they got a nonsensicalā€”incompatibleā€”question! It has been theorized that should someone understand the universe it would be replaced by something more complicated! It has also been theorized this has already happened! Also regarding scale of knowledge, Trin Tragula definetly showed that the One thing you canā€™t afford to have in this universe, is a sense of perspective!

          Surely his reading comprehension isnā€™t actually this bad, and he only got a bad meme-cliffnotes version of the radio-series/books/movies!?!

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      Think this might be the first tweet of Roko I somewhat agree with. At least Roko did something somewhat intellectual in creating pascals wager for nerds. Musks intellectual accomplishments are worse. He thinks the derivative function is some sort of glorious masterpiece of math, and he doesnā€™t seem to understand chess. I think the only things he really created was the handle that sinks into the car, and the look of the cybertruck.

      Funny to see the Rationalists start to turn on their glorious savior from AGI doom. (Which has been happening for a while now it seems, some even argue he never actually interacted with anybody from the Rationality community (btw before he blocked people being able to see all people you follow on twitter he followed slatestarcodex)))

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        Okay but ā€œElon is not smarter than meā€ is a universally true statement in the exact same way as ā€œdumb as a rockā€ is a universally applicable idiom.